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[Jon Watte (ODE)]

Please, name one source-level debugger that runs on Linux and supports 
C++, that's not based on GDB. It doesn't matter if it costs money, as 
long as you can ACTUALLY purchase it. (I haven't found one)

My point is that a large set of the ODE community uses MSVC, and an 
overwhelming majority of game developers use MSVC in daily work, 
probably because of its good productivity features. If you choose to use 
any tool set to build ODE that's not well integrated with MSVC, you will 
alienate this community, and you will likely push ODE into the fringes.


I worked on UNIX implementations twenty years ago, so I know a fair bit 
about the wonders of UNIX. Now, regarding UNIX credibility, I also have 
a rant about how to use make correctly (as opposed to 99% of UNIX build 
processes out there :-)

http://www.mindcontrol.org/~hplus/makesample.html

Just sayin'...

Cheers,

			/ h+

Doron Tal wrote:
> I don't have time to waste on this topic, but I'd like to just say briefly
> that if you're just talking about gdb you seem to be missing on
> the rest of the programming tools available on Unix systems.  Unix
> was developed by programmers for programmers, that's why
> it has hundreds of tools available.  The simple automation achievable
> using makefiles and shell scripts has still not been surpassed by
> Windows.  Windows is a non-standard, proprietary, platform
> that's used only by people who can afford it.  Windows also has
> had a historical tendency to stray from standards -- standard C++
> for example -- and this is a huge problem.  Your rant on gdb is
> misinformed -- you don't seem to be aware of the many GUIs
> available as front end to gdb, or of nifty features such as gdb
> attaching to a running process.  You need to be fair if you rant,
> and consider the multitude of tools that have become available,
> like kcachegrind and the rest of the valgrind suite, ddd or xxgdb,
> kdevelop.  Together, these tools make Unix infinitely better as a
> development environment in comparison with Windows.
> I was a Windows developer for years as part of my job, but have
> always preferred a linux system when my boss did not force me
> to use it.  Unix is plainly speaking much more standard, and much
> more reachable to a greater number of programmers.  Until today,
> I compile all my programs with both Windows VS6 and g++ and
> I believe the Unix suite of hundreds of tools is far superior.
> 
> Now if you're programming games that you only want running under
> windows, then I can understand why you'd use Microsoft, but I suspect
> this strategy will be limiting, as Windows slowly fades away from being
> the primary OS of this world.
> -D
> 
> Jon Watte (ODE) wrote:
> 
>>
>> What my point is is that, for me, and everyone I've worked with, the 
>> MSVC debugger is so much more productive than MinGW/Cygwin that anyone 
>> trying the latter is just wasting their money. I can't really take 
>> anyone saying that GDB is more useable than MSVC for general 
>> application development and debugging seriously. (Each of the tools 
>> has some tragic flaw, for sure, but GDB has more of them and a much 
>> less responsive UI)
>>
>> I couldn't care less about the politics. Well, actually, I do care a 
>> little bit: read my rant about UNIX debugging at:
>>
>> http://www.mindcontrol.org/~hplus/misc/unix-debugger.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>             / h+
>>
>> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>>
>>>> MinGW/Cygwin isn't really an option for serious development on Windows.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AHEM.  Or so The Man would like you to believe.
>>>
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