Hello > The "Raven Shield" Ubicom? Did you work on that > title? Raven Shield uses the MathEngine Karma physics engine, see www.mathengine.com A few years ago, Russ worked for MathEngine. Richard Tonge PS2 Optimisation Engineer MathEngine www.richardtonge.com __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer